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		<title>By: alecia</title>
		<link>http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/2009/12/28/doctored-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>alecia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is really great advice.  Thank you for taking the time to write it!  I am really intrigued by Lightroom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is really great advice.  Thank you for taking the time to write it!  I am really intrigued by Lightroom!</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
		<link>http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/2009/12/28/doctored-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I mention that I really really really like lightroom?  :)  If you have someone who can show you live, that is probably best.  

For my purposes, it serves as a catalog of images that are searchable, and the thing that really pushed me to buy it is it when I get back from a trip or outing and have hundreds of images to sift through -- top notch workflow for that.  I can go through with one keystroke per image: &quot;like it, love it, maybe later, delete, delete, like it&quot; and you can easily embed keywords into the exif data for your images to make them easier to find later.  things like: (&quot;San Diego Trip December 2009&quot; &quot;Nicolas&quot; &quot;Dolphins&quot; &quot;Sea World&quot;)

Nolan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I mention that I really really really like lightroom?  <img src='http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   If you have someone who can show you live, that is probably best.  </p>
<p>For my purposes, it serves as a catalog of images that are searchable, and the thing that really pushed me to buy it is it when I get back from a trip or outing and have hundreds of images to sift through &#8212; top notch workflow for that.  I can go through with one keystroke per image: &#8220;like it, love it, maybe later, delete, delete, like it&#8221; and you can easily embed keywords into the exif data for your images to make them easier to find later.  things like: (&#8220;San Diego Trip December 2009&#8243; &#8220;Nicolas&#8221; &#8220;Dolphins&#8221; &#8220;Sea World&#8221;)</p>
<p>Nolan</p>
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		<title>By: Nolan</title>
		<link>http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/2009/12/28/doctored-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lightroom is a digital shoebox with some kick&#039;n features.  It isn&#039;t a full featured photo editor -- the adjustments you can make aren&#039;t like adding/removing stop signs, (ok a lightroom pro probably could, but very limited) -- more what you can do are just altering the color, contrast, sharpness, etc.  

As for your question about in-camera vs. in-software, white balance, you will get at least 2 (maybe more) answers.  Depending on the circumstances involved, I may go either way.  

When to use in-camera:
1.  lighting is predictable / stable
2.  camera doesn&#039;t support raw image formats
3.  you may need to print without editing (say from a memory card) and without a computer
4.  to save yourself time later

When to use on-computer:
1.  If the camera&#039;s white balance feature stinks, plan to adjust later.
2.  If your camera can shoot in raw mode.  (you might still want to set a manual white balance in the scene, but that is optional)
3.  You have tricky lighting or mixed lighting -- incandescent and flourescent mixed, daylight and incandescent, flash and candle light, etc.  or lighting that is changing frequently while you shoot. (partly cloudy day, moving between indoors and out frequently, moving shade, moving subjects)
4.  When you mess up and take pictures with the wrong white balance setting on the camera.  &quot;drat, I wanted sun icon not the incandescent icon!&quot;  (gee, I&#039;ve never done that before ;)

Why would it make a difference?
If you have no raw format, then the only place &quot;all&quot; the data is available is on-camera.  After that, the image is jpeg compressed into some transfer color space (sRGB or AdobeRGB, for example), and between that and the jpeg lossy compression, you immediately start losing data.  This can sometimes be discernible differences when you start really making adjustments to contrast and lighting in a software package later.  Large areas of approximately the same color may turn &quot;flat&quot; and lose all contrast -- usually this is most noticable on almost white and almost black areas of the original image that clip at black or white.  Sometimes it will show up in saturated colors too, but less often. 

hmmm.... this smells like a blog post all its own -- there are probably also tons of web sites out that discuss this topic better than I can present it in a comment.  If you really would like to see some fake math that pretends to be the manipulations, I can show you sometime.

Nolan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lightroom is a digital shoebox with some kick&#8217;n features.  It isn&#8217;t a full featured photo editor &#8212; the adjustments you can make aren&#8217;t like adding/removing stop signs, (ok a lightroom pro probably could, but very limited) &#8212; more what you can do are just altering the color, contrast, sharpness, etc.  </p>
<p>As for your question about in-camera vs. in-software, white balance, you will get at least 2 (maybe more) answers.  Depending on the circumstances involved, I may go either way.  </p>
<p>When to use in-camera:<br />
1.  lighting is predictable / stable<br />
2.  camera doesn&#8217;t support raw image formats<br />
3.  you may need to print without editing (say from a memory card) and without a computer<br />
4.  to save yourself time later</p>
<p>When to use on-computer:<br />
1.  If the camera&#8217;s white balance feature stinks, plan to adjust later.<br />
2.  If your camera can shoot in raw mode.  (you might still want to set a manual white balance in the scene, but that is optional)<br />
3.  You have tricky lighting or mixed lighting &#8212; incandescent and flourescent mixed, daylight and incandescent, flash and candle light, etc.  or lighting that is changing frequently while you shoot. (partly cloudy day, moving between indoors and out frequently, moving shade, moving subjects)<br />
4.  When you mess up and take pictures with the wrong white balance setting on the camera.  &#8220;drat, I wanted sun icon not the incandescent icon!&#8221;  (gee, I&#8217;ve never done that before <img src='http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Why would it make a difference?<br />
If you have no raw format, then the only place &#8220;all&#8221; the data is available is on-camera.  After that, the image is jpeg compressed into some transfer color space (sRGB or AdobeRGB, for example), and between that and the jpeg lossy compression, you immediately start losing data.  This can sometimes be discernible differences when you start really making adjustments to contrast and lighting in a software package later.  Large areas of approximately the same color may turn &#8220;flat&#8221; and lose all contrast &#8212; usually this is most noticable on almost white and almost black areas of the original image that clip at black or white.  Sometimes it will show up in saturated colors too, but less often. </p>
<p>hmmm&#8230;. this smells like a blog post all its own &#8212; there are probably also tons of web sites out that discuss this topic better than I can present it in a comment.  If you really would like to see some fake math that pretends to be the manipulations, I can show you sometime.</p>
<p>Nolan</p>
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		<title>By: alecia</title>
		<link>http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/2009/12/28/doctored-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>alecia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not tried lightroom.  Do you recommend it over Photoshop Elements?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not tried lightroom.  Do you recommend it over Photoshop Elements?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaimee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you tried lightroom yet?  You will fall in love and you won&#039;t have to learn so much in Elements.  Love the pictures.  I like the doctored wrapping paper picture and the original food picture.  How&#039;s that for diplomacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you tried lightroom yet?  You will fall in love and you won&#8217;t have to learn so much in Elements.  Love the pictures.  I like the doctored wrapping paper picture and the original food picture.  How&#8217;s that for diplomacy?</p>
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		<title>By: alecia</title>
		<link>http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/2009/12/28/doctored-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>alecia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback.  Can&#039;t I fix the white balance with the tools afterwards too?  What is the advantage of doing it on the camera rather than in PhotoShop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback.  Can&#8217;t I fix the white balance with the tools afterwards too?  What is the advantage of doing it on the camera rather than in PhotoShop?</p>
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		<title>By: alecia</title>
		<link>http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/2009/12/28/doctored-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>alecia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the ideas.  I look forward to learning more about this.  It is a whole new world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the ideas.  I look forward to learning more about this.  It is a whole new world.</p>
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		<title>By: alecia</title>
		<link>http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/2009/12/28/doctored-photos/comment-page-1/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>alecia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the honest feedback.  I actually think I agree with you.  Hopefully I can learn more about photoshop so that I can make the photos look better.  I hope you are feeling better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the honest feedback.  I actually think I agree with you.  Hopefully I can learn more about photoshop so that I can make the photos look better.  I hope you are feeling better!</p>
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		<title>By: Ava Dong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ava Dong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I love original picture.---Are you going to kill me? Ha~
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I love original picture.&#8212;Are you going to kill me? Ha~<br />
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have photoshop, so I don&#039;t know if this would make sense, but can you boost the saturation of the blue hue within photoshop to regain the blue in her eyes... I have been able to regain details that get lost by adjusting the individual color hues within aperture, but like I said, that is aperture and is a totally different program... Good pics though...the doctored versions have a really cool effect.
The other thing that I use a lot, is adjusting the black point and recovery (again aperture elements, so I don&#039;t know if they apply to photoshop) but for instance, on the wrapping paper picture, where you lose a bit of detail between her left cheek and shirt, by increasing the recovery, you can gain some of that detail, while still having that effect.  The other thing I like screwing with is the various different filter saturations, when dealing with black and white &quot;monochrome&quot; pictures.. This can be done with the monochrome mixer in aperture, but I don&#039;t know how photoshop works... 
Not that I know what I am doing at all, but just take it one step at a time, and play with it... That way you will have fun while learning, in lieu of getting overwhelmed by it all.... Great job though, I am so excited that you are getting into this.. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have photoshop, so I don&#8217;t know if this would make sense, but can you boost the saturation of the blue hue within photoshop to regain the blue in her eyes&#8230; I have been able to regain details that get lost by adjusting the individual color hues within aperture, but like I said, that is aperture and is a totally different program&#8230; Good pics though&#8230;the doctored versions have a really cool effect.<br />
The other thing that I use a lot, is adjusting the black point and recovery (again aperture elements, so I don&#8217;t know if they apply to photoshop) but for instance, on the wrapping paper picture, where you lose a bit of detail between her left cheek and shirt, by increasing the recovery, you can gain some of that detail, while still having that effect.  The other thing I like screwing with is the various different filter saturations, when dealing with black and white &#8220;monochrome&#8221; pictures.. This can be done with the monochrome mixer in aperture, but I don&#8217;t know how photoshop works&#8230;<br />
Not that I know what I am doing at all, but just take it one step at a time, and play with it&#8230; That way you will have fun while learning, in lieu of getting overwhelmed by it all&#8230;. Great job though, I am so excited that you are getting into this.. <img src='http://hoobingfamilyadventures.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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